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The Math / LTV on margin

The Math · Spend and customers

The customer lifetime value formula, done on margin.

Most lifetime value figures are revenue figures. They tell you how much money a customer will move through the store, not how much of it you keep. Acquisition is paid for out of margin, so the only LTV you can safely spend against is the one multiplied by your contribution margin, and then checked against how long it takes to arrive.

The short answer

Margin LTV = AOV × purchase frequency × customer lifespan × contribution margin %, using margin before marketing. Judge it against CAC, and pair it with CAC payback = CAC ÷ monthly contribution margin per customer, because a lifetime that pays back too slowly still starves cash. Blufire values every customer in margin, in Customer Value.

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The formula

Margin LTV = AOV × purchase frequency × customer lifespan × CM%

  • AOV
  • Purchase frequency
  • Customer lifespan
  • CM%
The formula

Four inputs. The last one is the one most people skip.

TermWhat it means
AOVAverage order value: net revenue ÷ orders, after discounts and refunds.
Purchase frequencyAverage orders per customer per year, measured on a cohort, not the whole base.
Customer lifespanAverage years a customer keeps buying. Cap it at a fixed window, such as 24 months, or a lapsed rule.
CM%Contribution margin before marketing (CM2 on The Math): revenue less landed COGS, fulfilment, shipping and payment fees. Not gross margin, and not CM3, which already subtracts the ad spend you are about to weigh LTV against.

Drop the last term and you have the common revenue formula for customer lifetime value. It is not wrong; it answers a different question. Revenue LTV says how much will move. Margin LTV says how much you can spend to win the customer and still come out ahead.

How margin moves the ceiling

The same A$420 revenue LTV at four margins.

Holding AOV, frequency and lifespan fixed, here is what the customer is worth in margin and the CAC that still pays back inside 12 months (A$210 of first-year revenue × CM%).

Contribution marginMargin LTVMax CAC for 12-month payback
25%A$105.00A$52.50
35%A$147.00A$73.50
45%A$189.00A$94.50
55%A$231.00A$115.50

Demonstrative numbers. At a 35% margin, the A$110 CAC in the example is about 50% above the 12-month ceiling. Raising margin moves both columns; so does lifting frequency.

The maths

A 3.8x LTV:CAC that is really 1.3x.

A replenishment brand: A$70 average order, three orders a year, customers stay two years. Contribution margin before marketing is 35%, and new-customer CAC is A$110.

Worked example / demonstrative numbers
Revenue LTV: A$70 × 3.0 × 2.0A$420.00
Revenue LTV ÷ CAC: A$420 ÷ A$1103.82x
× 35% contribution margin× 0.35
Margin LTVA$147.00
Less new-customer CAC−A$110.00
Lifetime margin left per customerA$37.00
Margin LTV ÷ CAC: A$147 ÷ A$1101.34x

On revenue the customer looks worth nearly four times what they cost. In margin, the CAC eats three quarters of everything they leave behind (A$110 of A$147), and A$37 is all that remains for fixed costs and profit. Same customer, very different budget decision. Run your own with the margin LTV calculator.

Now add the clock

CAC payback: when the margin actually comes back.

The Math judges margin LTV alongside a payback under 12 months. Same customer: A$70 × 3 orders ÷ 12 months is A$17.50 of revenue a month.

Worked example / demonstrative numbers
Monthly revenue per customerA$17.50
Revenue-based payback: A$110 ÷ A$17.506.3 months
Monthly contribution margin: A$17.50 × 35%A$6.13
Margin-based CAC payback: A$110 ÷ A$6.12518.0 months

Revenue says the customer pays back in about six months. Margin says eighteen, well past a 12-month threshold, so this store is funding each new customer for a year and a half before seeing a dollar back. Check yours with the CM payback calculator.

How Blufire automates it

Customer value in margin, for every cohort and the whole base.

Section S12, Financial Models, runs cohort LTV on your data and values the whole base as customer equity: the contribution margin customers have already produced, and what they are predicted to still generate, discounted to today. Each model shows its inputs, its formula and the records behind the answer.

It also shows how concentrated that value is, because the average customer describes almost nobody. Section S4 prices individual customers with survival curves and predicted CLV, and S2 tracks CM-payback per acquisition cohort.

  • Cohort LTVLifetime value per acquisition cohort, run on your own order history.
  • Customer equityBanked and forward contribution margin for the whole base, with the discount rate shown.
  • Predicted CLVSurvival curves and BTYD-predicted value for each customer in the lifecycle board.
  • Cohort economicsNew-customer CAC and CM-payback per cohort, in margin rather than revenue.
See section S12, Financial Models→
S12 Financial Models · Customer equity & CLV
Blufire customer equity and CLV portfolio showing forward equity, banked CM1, base lifetime value and value concentration

Real product screen, shown on sample data.

Common mistakes

Why most LTV figures overstate.

  • Spending against revenue LTV.At a 35% margin, a A$420 revenue LTV is A$147 you can actually deploy.
  • One all-time average.Old loyal cohorts inflate it. Compute per acquisition cohort with cohort analysis.
  • Unbounded lifespan.A projected tail ends up doing most of the work. Cap it at a window.
  • Ignoring the clock.A healthy LTV:CAC ratio can still take years to arrive. Always read it next to payback, and see the three CACs for which CAC to divide by.
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FAQ

Questions operators ask.

LTV = average order value × purchase frequency × customer lifespan. For the version you can spend against, multiply by contribution margin %: Margin LTV = AOV × frequency × lifespan × CM%. Use margin before marketing, compute it per acquisition cohort, and cap lifespan at a fixed window.
Contribution margin. Acquisition is paid from the margin each order leaves, not from revenue, so a revenue LTV always overstates what you can afford to spend. At a 35% margin a A$420 revenue LTV is worth A$147 in margin, which changes the CAC you can justify.
Divide CAC by the contribution margin a customer produces each month. A customer spending A$17.50 a month at a 35% margin returns about A$6.13, so a A$110 CAC takes about 18 months to recover. Computed on revenue it would look like six months, which is why margin matters.
There is no universal ratio worth trusting on its own. Compute it on margin LTV, not revenue, then check payback: a ratio that looks healthy but takes years to arrive ties up cash. The Math judges margin LTV alongside a payback under 12 months.

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